Survival Hunter guide
Talent trees, every tier list's rating and the sim: the Survival tab.
In short
- A Hunter who fights in melee and shoots between hits.
- Number 2 of 20 damage specs in our newest sim run, at 836 DPS. Sourced: Sim · 11 Oct run
- Built around Mongoose Bite: Expose Prey can make it usable when you hit a target with your Hunter's Mark on it, and Lacerating Strikes makes it leave a bleed. Sourced: Talent database
- Weak spot: nobody has raided with it yet, so its level-60 build is theory.
How it plays
Up to level 30. Until the deep Survival talents it plays as a hybrid: Serpent Sting and shots at range, Raptor Strike whenever you're in melee, Mongoose Bite after the target dodges, and Wing Clip to keep it close. Predator's Edge and Deterrence come at 30. Predator's Edge makes your melee crits hit harder and your off-hand weapon deal more damage; use Deterrence for 25% more dodge and parry for 10 sec.
Sourced: Guide · 2 Oct, Talent database
At level 60. Theory Hunter's Mark first, so Expose Prey can trigger, which lasts 10 sec since 8 Oct. Mongoose Bite whenever it's usable, and Lacerating Strikes adds a bleed of 40% of the bite's damage over 21 sec. Raptor Strike in between, Strider Kick to close the gap (a weapon hit and 30% more speed for 3 sec), and Serpent Sting. Multi-Shot and Volley on packs.
Sourced: Talent database, Dev notes · 8 Oct
Talents at a glance
Our level-20 and level-30 builds for Survival are still to come; for now, here is the level-60 build.
Level 60: Improved Tracking 5, Deflection 1, Savage Strikes 2, Survivalist 3, Surefooted 3, Deterrence 1, Predator's Edge 5, Survival Tactics 2, Expose Prey 2, Resourcefulness 2, Survivalist's Discipline 2, Strider Kick 1, Lightning Reflexes 4, Lacerating Strikes 1, Lethal Attacks 5, Careful Aim 5, Rapid Killing 2, Efficiency 3, Mortal Shots 2
Lacerating Strikes requires Expose Prey 2/2; Counterattack skipped (needs Deterrence). MM filler: Lethal Attacks, Careful Aim, Rapid Killing, Efficiency, 2 points of Mortal Shots (legal — Careful Aim is 5/5).
Theory · See the trees · Open in the calculator
Rotation at level 30
RecommendationSingle target
Open with Hunter's Mark, Serpent Sting, close in.
- Raptor Strike on cooldown
- Mongoose Bite on dodges
- Serpent Sting
- Wing Clip to keep them in melee
- Auto-attack + Auto Shot weave
Groups
- Multi-Shot, then melee
Tip
Predator's Edge and Deterrence come online here.
Stats
Each guide's stat order as it gives it, the sim's stat weights, then ours. Guides dated before the last big tuning are shown but not counted.
Guides differWeapon damage first on every guide; the order after it differs.
| Where | Stat order |
|---|---|
| Guide · 5 Oct PvE, level 30 · read 12 Oct | Weapon damage › Hit › Agility › Crit › Strength › Intellect › Spirit › Stamina |
| Guide · 1 Oct PvE, level 20 · read 12 Oct | Weapon damage › Agility › Spirit › Intellect › Stamina › Hit › Crit |
| Guide · 1 Oct leveling, level 30 · read 12 Oct | Not ranked |
| Sim · stat weights level 60 · run 12 Oct, 5,000 iterations | Per 1%: Expertise 5.26 › Crit 4.29 › Attack speed 1.89 › Hit 0.0296 Per point: Physical damage 1.61 › Agility 0.265 › Intellect 0.145 › Strength 0.141 › Attack power 0.128 › Armour penetration 0.0506 › Ranged weapon DPS 0.0137 › Ranged attack power 0.001 No DPS change in this run: Mana every 5 sec. The DPS each stat adds, for a level-60 character on the engine's preset gear in a 2-minute fight on a beta engine: a direction, not a verdict. = marks a tie: stats within each other's margin. Not counted toward "Guides agree". Where they differ: ours puts Hit before Crit, which the sim weighs higher per 1%; ours puts Weapon damage, melee and ranged before Agility, which the sim weighs higher per point; ours puts Weapon damage, melee and ranged before Attack power, which the sim weighs higher per point. |
| Ours Recommendation | Weapon damage, melee and ranged › Hit › Agility › Crit › Attack power › Stamina Ours adds Attack power, which neither guide lists. Our order matches the guides' wherever they all agree. |
Race
Each guide's race picks for Survival, then our pick for the Hunter.
Alliance
Guides agreeHuman on 2 guides.
- Guide · 5 Oct PvE, level 30 · read 12 OctHuman
- Guide · 1 Oct PvE, level 20 · read 12 OctHuman
- Guide · 1 Oct leveling, level 30 · read 12 OctDwarf, Night Elf
- Ours, for the Hunter RecommendationDwarf S
Horde
Guides agreeTauren on 2 guides.
- Guide · 5 Oct PvE, level 30 · read 12 OctTauren
- Guide · 1 Oct PvE, level 20 · read 12 OctTauren
- Guide · 1 Oct leveling, level 30 · read 12 OctTroll
- Ours, for the Hunter RecommendationOrc S
Professions
One guideOnly one guide names professions.
- Guide · 5 Oct PvE, level 30 · read 12 OctSkinning, Leatherworking
- Guide · 1 Oct PvE, level 20 · read 12 OctNot given
- Guide · 1 Oct leveling, level 30 · read 12 OctNot given
- Ours, for the Hunter RecommendationSkinning + Leatherworking (while leveling); or Mining + Engineering (endgame)
Level 20: best and second best per slot
| Slot | Best | Second best |
|---|---|---|
| Head | Brawler's Leather Hood Crafted: Leatherworking | — |
| Neck | Erudite's Amulet Quest: Friend of the Library | — |
| Chest | Tunic of Westfall Quest: The Defias Brotherhood (Westfall) | Trapper's Leather Armor Crafted: Leatherworking |
| Hands | Gloves of the Fang Wailing Caverns - Lord Serpentis | — |
| Waist | Deviate Scale Belt Crafted: Leatherworking | — |
| Legs | Leggings of the Fang Wailing Caverns - Lord Pythas | Trapper's Leather Pants Crafted: Leatherworking |
| Feet | Footpads of the Fang Wailing Caverns - Lord Cobrahn | — |
| Ring | Seal of Wrynn Quest: An Audience with the King (Stormwind) | — |
| Two-Hand | Bronze Dory Crafted: Blacksmithing | — |
| Ranged / Relic | Venomstrike Wailing Caverns - Lord Serpentis | — |
Sourced: Guide · 27 Sep
Level 60: where gear will come from
- Pre-raid: Blackmaw Hold, Krol'dok Stronghold, Alcaz Prison for weapons — weapon DPS is still the biggest single upgrade, and weapon-skill racials are gone, so pick by DPS not type.
- Crafted: Blacksmithing weapons and 'Veteran's' mail/plate, Leatherworking 'Brawler's' leather; Enchanting ring Attack Power; Engineering gadgets.
- Expertise is new — dodge/parry reduction on gear matters for anyone attacking from the front (tanks' targets included).
- Raids open 9 December; no level-60 BiS exists yet.
Theory
What changed for Survival
8 Oct: Disengage now drops twice as much threat, as first planned; Beast Mastery's Unleashed Fury now raises pet damage; Marksmanship's Improved Concussive Shot procs at its intended rate.
Sourced: Dev notes · 8 Oct
Survival: Expose Prey 10 sec (was 5 sec); Entrapment only triggers when Frost Trap first goes off, and has diminishing returns; Improved Wing Clip procs at its intended rate, less often from low ranks.
Sourced: Dev notes · 8 Oct
1 Oct: Sniper Shot 45-yd range and the next 3 shots gain +10 yd; Survival's Deflection 1–5% parry (was 2–10%); pet Aggressive mode restored.
Sourced: Dev notes · 1 Oct
Furious Howl (Wolf) attack-power bonus −40%; Tame Beast no longer works on beasts above your level; Bat pets get Sonic Blast.
Sourced: Dev notes · 24 Sep
Survival: Lacerating Strikes can crit; Strider Kick +30% move speed for 3 sec.
Sourced: Dev notes · 24 Sep
Some guns/bows weren't consuming ammo — fixed.
Sourced: Dev notes · 24 Sep